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ReplyDeleteWHAT THE?? HAHAHHAHAHA!
ReplyDeleteMade my day =))
Ei, glad to be of service!!! Marami pang kalokohang dadating, nye he he he!!!
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ReplyDeleteYWAM is a cult, my friend.
ReplyDeleteThey will make you pay a lot of money to attend this DTS, even though you will be the one to be put to work. Read these links and be enlightened:
http://www.rickross.com/groups/youth.html
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/y05.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...082/myywam.htm
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/y03.html
Unlike some of your friends, I hope you have the courage to stand toe-to-toe with these issues instead of evading my points, responding via ad hominems, or simply refusing to answer and instead blocking my user or deleting my posts, which is the dodgy and cowardly option.
ad hominem?
ReplyDeleteYWAM changed people. inspired people to be the best of what they can be. to be the best for other people. They helped sending people to the ends of the earth to tell about salvation.
If they are a cult, they do a pretty good job in doing God's great commission.
thats the whole point. evade it.
And who determines what is the best a person can be? Last time I heard this slogan, it was spouted by the marines. The definition of what is best is not set in stone and is a matter of perspective. Oftentimes "making you the best you can possibly be" is really an excuse to EXPLOIT your talents, enthusiasm and
ReplyDeletefree labor. Imagine they have people working for them getting paid a measly 7 USD/week!
Sure they send people to the "end of the earth" as it were, but let us not forget that YWAM gets money from their own "missionaries" for doing so! You want to do mission work? What if I charge you $2500 first? Ridiculous? But this is exaclty what YWAM is doing! Its a scam! Imagine if instead of giving the $2500 to YWAM, you instead use it to by food for the many poor streetkids in Manila? $2500 goes a long way in the Philippines!
You don't need to follow the cultic patterns of YWAM in order to fulfill the great commission. You can do that with other more reputable missionary organizations, or via established channels in your local church. No need to empty your pocket or those of your friends or family for thousands of dollars! Why make yourself a financial burden to others? And why allow yourself to be burdened by YWAM's expensive requirements? Can't YWAM do all these things to help their missionaries, but for free? Why must YWAM charge it's own people??? Nonsense!!!
How's that for evading?
wow... I agree: the definition of what is best is not set in stone and is a matter of perspective. Ironically, I based "my slogan" from those people who said that to me about themselves. And whose perspective was it then? oops.
ReplyDeletebut let me get back to the point. Clearly you have an understanding of fallacies. how about hasty generalization? I made an extra effort to read one of your links and here's what i've found.
QUOTE: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/y05.html
"Again, all this does not mean such things are going on in all YWAM bases. (Note that years after my negative experiences, I again volunteered at a YWAM base in Amsterdam, and had a wonderful time). One thing to keep in mind is that YWAM is a huge organization within which you can encounter many cultural and spiritual differences, as well as many leadership styles. Even in a small country like the Netherlands there are huge differences between the ''feel'' and approach of the various YWAM bases."
contextually speaking, the author of the site simply stresses Spiritual Abuses, which he has personally experienced on one of the YWAM bases. *edit* He knows that this may be an isolated case.
I will go with the other links later but FIRST here is my point:
Look, I'm just concerned about you going berserk over YWAM. Please be extra careful of what you are dismissing as "cultic" and other whatnots. Do you know what the unforgivable sin is? It's blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. How sure are you that you are barking at the wrong or the right tree? Logically it may seem that you are right. But really the safe side to avoid that sin is not doing anything active. Are you getting my point?
Rethink your strategy dude.
P.S. I am assuming that you are passionate with what you do and you know what YWAM has done as far as missions is concerned irregardless of whether they may be a supposedly spiritually-abusive or a money laundering organization. I am also assuming that you know what position you have placed so far spiritually speaking.
You said that "I based 'my slogan' from those people who said that to me about themselves. And whose perspective was it then? oops." Nice try at irony. However, one mark of a cult is that people are being exploited but they simply are not aware that they are being exploited. Name any cult. Moonies? INC? MMCC? They will all say that they are being made to be the best they can be, despite the simple fact that they are being used. They are all blinded to this fact. Any cult member is, until he realizes it and this becomes the start of his wanting to leave the cult.
ReplyDeleteAs for hasty generalizations, it seems that what you cited is more the exception than the rule. It is also a tactic of YWAM to call each bad apple they have as an "isolated case", no matter how prevalent such incidences really are within the organization!
Let's focus on YWAM Manila, of which Rachel and Nio are such ardent supporters. How much did it cost them and their sponsors to send them to Malaysia? Say, 1000 USD perhaps? How about the YWAM School of Evangelism in Antipolo later this year, at 2,500 USD or Php 80,000! Now THAT is what you WOW at!
As for blaspheming against the Holy Spirit, I am sure you agree that YWAM is not God and is not particularly the Holy Spirit. No, it is not better to be on the "safe side" and not criticise them, otherwise we may looking the other way from abuses committed within the Body of Christ. Would it have been better to be on the "safe side" and avoid criticism when Jim Jones was leading his cult, or when David Koresh was leading his congregation? No! It would have been better that more people called attention to them at the time it was still developoing before having turned deadly. Are YOU getting my point?